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Interview #722: Reddit 2012 (WoT), Entry #8

Ashan_Darei (June 2012)

I debated writing this because you seem like a genuinely nice guy who cares about his fans, and I don’t want to hurt your feelings. If you find it difficult to read criticism, please don’t read any further.

To be honest, I am hoping that you won’t write the outriggers/prequels because it seems to me like your heart’s just not in it anymore. In 2011 you announced that you needed time off to reread the entire series before starting work on A Memory of Light since you’d forgotten too much and this had led to continuity issues in Towers of Midnight . But according to your own website, you only reread a third of the series, then went on to work on Alloy of Law , Legion , The Emperor’s Soul , The Rithmatist … As someone who enjoyed Way of Kings a great deal, I’m glad that you’ve continued to work on your own books, but the fact that you abandoned the reread does make me worry about the quality of A Memory of Light . If you cannot give WoT as much time and attention as it needs, it’s better to let it go.

Another big issue for me is the characterization. You’re great at writing Perrin and also did a good job with Rand and the girls for the most part. Others felt off, and that unfortunately includes the main characters the outriggers and prequels would focus on. I’ll leave out Mat since that’s been discussed to death already, but Lan and Moiraine’s scenes in Towers of Midnight were a huge disappointment for me. Lan has always been a favorite of mine, but here he came off as a whiny combination of Gawyn and Perrin. He’s a grown man in his late 40s, not a sulky teenager.

Then there’s Moiraine, now ready to give up all her power if only Thom tells her to. Yes, her captivity undoubtedly changed her, but at her core, she is someone who was ready to sacrifice everyone and everything to win the Last Battle, including herself. So it didn’t seem right for Moiraine to offer to give up an important tool like the angreal .

"”Egwene, I know what you feel for Rand, but you must realize by now that nothing can come of it. He belongs to the Pattern, and to history.”—Moiraine, The Shadow Rising

For an instant she regretted sending Thom away. She did not like having to waste her time with these petty affairs. But he had too much influence with Rand; the boy had to depend on her counsel. Hers, and hers alone.—Moiraine, The Shadow Rising

That had been one of Moiraine’s more succinct bits of advice. Never let them see you weaken.—Rand, Lord of Chaos

I happen to like Moiraine a lot, but there’s no denying she was partly responsible for Rand thinking he needed to be hard. Yet in Towers of Midnight you have Rand speak of how caring she was; even Mat and Nynaeve sing her praises. You seem to be trying to retcon Moiraine into a saintly figure she never was. All WoT characters have major flaws; Moiraine’s was that she treated people as chess pieces that sometimes needed to be sacrificed for the greater good. In The Shadow Rising she intentionally tried to separate Rand from his friends so she could be the only person influencing him. It wasn’t until Rhuidean that she discovered firsthand what it felt like to be the person forced to make the ultimate sacrifice, and she finally became the advisor Rand needed. But even then she was still manipulating him and encouraging him to be hard, so obviously she hadn’t changed completely. To ignore her flaws and mistakes is to do the character a disservice and hides her growth in The Fires of Heaven .

This is getting long, so I’ll wrap it up here. I hope this made sense and that I didn’t hurt your feelings. I still think you’re a very talented writer and look forward to reading both A Memory of Light and the next Stormlight book.

Brandon Sanderson (June 2012)

Well, thanks for the thoughts. I will take the comments for what they are worth, and appreciate your sincerity.

By way of correction, I do want to point out that Alloy of Law , Legion , and The Rithmatist were all written BEFORE I started work on A Memory of Light . The only thing I’ve written during A Memory of Light was The Emperor’s Soul , which is a short work I wrote on the flight home from Taiwan earlier in the year. I have always stopped my main projects for side ones. It is part of what keeps me fresh. Alcatraz was in the middle of Mistborn, Rithmatist in the middle of Liar of Partinel (which I decided not to publish; it was the last book I wrote before the WoT came my way.) Legion was during Towers of Midnight . Emperor’s Soul during A Memory of Light .

My heart is completely in it—that I can assure you. I stopped the re-read because I was just too eager to be working on the book, and I’d already re-read (the last year) books 9-11 in working to get Perrin and Mat down for Towers of Midnight . But your complaint is valid. I did not re-read 6-8, except for spot reading. I kept telling myself I needed to get to them, but I was too deeply into the writing by that point.

As for where I misfired on characterization, I apologize. In some cases, I don’t see them the same way as you do. In other cases, I am doing a worse job than RJ would have, and the failings are mine. I don’t want to diminish your opinion, as it is valid. I certainly have struggled with some characters more than others.

Though, for the scene with Moiraine and Thom you quote above…I, uh, didn’t write that scene, my friend. That one was RJ in its entirety, and was one of the most complete scenes he left behind.

ashan_darei

Brandon, thank you for the thoughtful response. I understand that it’s very difficult for most authors to read criticism (let alone reply to it), so I appreciate that you took the time to read and reply.

I’d like to stress that I wholeheartedly agree with Neil Gaiman’s “GRRM is not your bitch” post and hope it didn’t come across like I thought you shouldn’t be working on anything besides WoT. Side projects are very much a good thing (happy and creative authors→better books), and I am personally excited about your upcoming books. It was mainly the fact that you seemed to have given up on the reread that felt like a reason for concern since you had previously said you needed to refresh your memory to avoid a repeat of Towers of Midnight ‘s continuity errors. It also made me worry that you had gotten weary of working on A Memory of Light , which would have been understandable given that it’s a very time-consuming and demanding project that you’ve already spent 4-5 years on. I’m glad to hear this is not the case.

“In some cases, I don’t see them the same way as you do.”

That’s not something I object to since we all have different perceptions of the characters. In most cases I understand where you are coming from even if your interpretation differs somewhat from mine. Unlike me, you also have access to all sorts of character notes and spoilers about their futures.

However, in some cases it felt like your personal love or dislike of certain characters also played a strong role. To put it bluntly, it’s easy to tell that Perrin, Egwene and Moiraine are your favorites since they’ve received a disproportionate amount of PoVs or praise from other characters, Egwene in particular (how many scenes do we need where people talk about how brilliant, clever and talented Egwene is?). I don’t know how much you follow other WoT boards, but there’s been a lot of debate in fandom as to whether Egwene has become too much of a Mary Sue-type character who easily defeats supposedly shrewd political opponents and is constantly praised by other characters, often at the expense of people like Siuan. It’s impossible for a writer to remain completely objective, and your background as a fan is on the whole one of your biggest strengths, but sometimes things like that can feel jarring. I would not want to see the same happen to a complex, flawed and interesting character like Moiraine.

“Though, for the scene with Moiraine and Thom you quote above…I, uh, didn’t write that scene, my friend. That one was RJ in its entirety, and was one of the most complete scenes he left behind.”

I have to admit, this comes as a surprise to me, partly because of Moiraine’s seemingly uncharacteristic offer to surrender almost all her power for Thom’s sake and partly because she used contractions in this scene (in the New Spring graphic novel, there’s a note from Jordan informing the comic writers that Moiraine never uses contractions). She and Thom seemed to have a mutual respect and attraction in the early books, but spent very little time together, so I would not have expected any full-blown love or a marriage proposal at this point. It just seemed very strange for Moiraine to be willing to sacrifice her only chance at regaining her strength when she’s barely even thought about Thom in her PoVs before. But since Jordan wrote that scene, there’s nothing to do but accept that it’s where he wanted to take the characters.

Brandon Sanderson

Re: Contractions Interesting story here. Harriet and Team Jordan worried about my use of contractions in places that RJ did not. It seemed very striking to them. Their first instinct was to go through and change it, after the fact, in order to match RJ’s style.

Harriet didn’t like how that looked. She felt that my style needed to be blended with RJ’s, rather than taking my style and forcing it to fit into something else. So it was decided that one of her tasks, as editor, would be to blend the writing after it was put together. She’d go through and make scenes feel right together, and would blend the two styles like a painter blending paint.

So, she takes away contractions from me where she feels they need to go and she actually adds them to RJ’s writing where she thinks it needs to be blended. I was curious if that was the case here, so I went back to the original notes.

And it turns out RJ wrote the scene with contractions. Most likely, he was planning to trim them out with editing. Remember, even the most complete scenes we have from him are first drafts. In fact, in some of them, the tense is wrong. (Much of this Moiraine/Thom/Mat scene is in present tense. )

An example from the notes is:

He puts the angreal on her wrist, and says ‘I’ll marry you now.’

In revision, this line turned into:

He put the bracelet back on her wrist. “I’ll marry you now, if you wish it.”

Anyway, I don’t want to spend too much time defending myself, because that’s not the point of your post. Really, the most important thing for me to say is that I understand. I’ll do my best, and criticism like this is important to me. (Particularly on the Wheel of Time books, where I feel that listening to fan direction is important for gauging how well I’m doing on the characters.) It was fan criticism that brought me around to finally seeing what I was doing wrong with Mat, and (hopefully) making some strides toward writing him more accurate to himself.

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