Why was the answer to who killed you-know-who buried in the back of the book?
Oh! So, this is a great story; some of you have heard this one before. So, when I got there—this is the 2007 visit, so this is December 2007, right before [?] was announced and my inbox exploded, right before the interview with Jason went live that preempted the [?]—I got the notes, and stuck on a post-it note on top of the notes was the answer to who killed Asmodean, and it isn’t the answer you think it is. I don’t even know—[to Harriet] was this Robert Jordan’s writing, or was this yours?—there was fan sheet that was printed out—there was a fan theory, and a post-it note that said “this is right”. And I don’t know who even wrote the “this is right”.
I think it was Jordan.
You think it was Jim, yeah. Robert Jordan. And so, anyway, we had this thing with the “this is right”, and the only thing I had really from him was the “this is right”. And I kind of felt like the fandom, like “Well I’ve got my answer but there’s no explanation; it’s just “the fan theory is right”, that it was this person, and so, as we were doing our brainstorming session months later, I said “You know what would be funny? Is if we made…we forced the fans to feel like we do,” because we don’t really know much about this answer, and we just…we put it in the appendix because then, they would have to, you know, they would found it like we found it. I got a post-it note; you got an appendix item, and Harriet loved this idea. She thought it was awesome. She has, you know, I think she, over the years, got infected by her husband and transitioned from nice editor to mean author [laughter], because we authors love to be mean to readers. Those provoking strong emotions in readers is one of the things that we love to do, and so sticking it back there, I actually when I was writing Towers of Midnight , I was…there was a sentence I wrote where I made it a little more clear in text, and Harriet was like, “No, this is going in the appendix; strike that sentence out.” And I was like, “Alright! She’s on board with this.” So that’s…and it is…you know, a lot of what we do in writing, at least in my vision, is to try to make sure you feel like the characters feel, like the Last Battle. Why is it 90,000 words, or whatever it is—that chapter. It’s because the characters can’t put down their weapons. They are back-to-the-wall, this is the End, and I don’t want you to feel like you can put down the book. I want you to be like, “I’ll read to the next chapter.” [laughter] All they’re thinking is, “Well, I’ll try and make it to the next day.” Well, that’s how you have to feel too; this is using the form of the story to try and evoke the right emotion, and putting [?] in the back was to evoke for you the same emotion that we felt in finding just the post-it note answer.
Okay, so before you got the note, who did you think killed that appendix item?
Here’s the story of appendix-item man: Like, when I…and I found since that this was actually pretty common. I didn’t really care until I started reading fan theories, right? Like, this was not one of the questions I had. The questions I had were things like, “Oooh, what could you do with gateways? Ooh, what kinds of Talents exist out there and what could they do? Ooh,” you know, “what kind of weaves exist in the Age of Legends and how did they develop into the contemporary weaves?” These are the things I was really interested in as a reader, and then, you know, you get Asmodean, and like, “Who cares about him?” I mean, yes, he was a fun character, but he’s dead, probably one of the Forsaken. And then, you start reading the theories, and then you go through this thing where you’re like, “Wow, this is actually really a mystery. Oh, I really want to know!” And then you transition into the, “I’m so tired of people talking about this.” [laughter] “Can we talk about something else?” And so, by the time I was working on those, I knew all the theories, and I didn’t…I had transitioned out of that caring too much. I’m like, “These are all good theories, and I have no idea which one is right.” And so, I didn’t have…you know, I was more interested in, you know, “Which of the women is Rand going to end up with?” That’s a really…that’s a question I wanted answered. “Will he survive the Last Battle?” “Who killed Asmodean?” was not a big deal to me at that point, though there is a fun story. Matt Hatch, who runs Theoryland, or founded Theoryland—I don’t know if you run Theoryland any more—but Theoryland kind of runs on its own…
Theoryland has always run on its own.
Yeah, you’re just the unfortunate person who started it and got trampled by the masses. So, um, he came to me—when was it? JordanCon? No, it couldn’t be JordanCon. DragonCon?
JordanCon.
It was JordanCon. Okay.
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Yeah, something like that. The book wasn’t out yet— Towers of Midnight —but I had mentioned that you will eventually, in one of the books, get the reveal on who killed Asmodean. And he pulls me aside, and he says, “All right, I’m not going to ask you who it really is, but I just want to say, it’s not Graendal, right?” And I didn’t say . . . I didn’t say anything. But he’s like, “Okay, if it’s Graendal, just don’t tell everybody. Just make it remain a secret forever. I would rather it remained a secret forever than you actually reveal it. Just so you know, If you’re gonna throw me a bone, don’t reveal it if it’s Graendal.” Sorry, Matt. My duty to the entire Wheel of Time fandom was greater than my duty to you.
So my side of the story is, I said Brandon—I was watching his face—and I said, I did add in there, “I will kill myself if it’s Graendal,” because if you say crazy things to people, they get human for a moment for your health. And so I swear, and I told everyone this on Theoryland after I asked Brandon that question, I’m like, “It’s Graendal, and it’s pissing me off”. It’s his look of concern like, “Oh, I don’t want Matt to kill himself”. Just momentarily a blip across his face like, “Oh. Oh, okay.” After that point, I just, I knew it was coming.
On the Gathering Storm tour, we did dinners with fans before each signing, which was wonderful but exhausting because it just added an extra hour or an hour and a half to each signing. But at one of them, I wrote “Graendal” on the tablecloth because it was one of those paper tablecloth things at one of those Italian restaurants in Korean, and then scribbled it out. And then said, “Hey I just wrote down who killed Asmodean right here.” And they’re all like, “What?!?” And so someone actually cut that piece of paper out and took it with them. But I’d scribbled it so well they couldn’t figure it out, and I didn’t tell them it was in Korean. Somebody’s still got that thing, I’m sure. Did they scan that and post that online and stuff?
I was there, I don’t know . . .
Yeah, I was there, too. You scribbled both sides of the tablecloth, just to make sure. [. . .] He was panicked that someone would figure it out. He was terrified. He was like, “I shouldn’t have done that. I shouldn’t have done that.”
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